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Post by SimsFan_1 on Mar 14, 2023 14:02:14 GMT -5
Another thing I've noticed while getting into skinning is that many of the meshes available are reflective of a very specific and extremely unfortunate era in fashion.🙊
Low-rise flares. Dresses over jeans. Ugg boots. Pointy heels. Crop tops. Peasant tops. Long scarves. If you were there, you know exactly what I mean.
I'm not here to criticize or blame any specific creator. This game peaked in popularity from 2001-2005, and most people naturally wanted to give their Sims outfits that were considered trendy and stylish at the time. And, many of these skins were high quality and beautifully made.
But, this doesn't make things easy if you're like me and lean more towards the 90s (and earlier) and more towards classic and practical outfits. I want my Sims to have "mom jeans" and combat boots, darnit!😣
This is why I frequently find myself using Maxis meshes, including JWS' add-ons and my own conversions of career/NPC meshes. Maxis tended to stay away from "trendy" designs and go for more classic/timeless/practical styles.
This is kind of a random topic, but I just felt like pointing this out. It really frustrates me how hard it is to find good boot meshes for female Sims or pant meshes that aren't flared.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Mar 14, 2023 18:40:50 GMT -5
Ahhh, those outfits gave me nightmares! 🤢 Early 2000s fashion was hideous, the only decade worse might be the 70s. Luckily I was too fat to dress like that, people must have been on something to think that looked good
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Post by SimsFan_1 on Mar 15, 2023 13:43:59 GMT -5
Luckily I was too fat to dress like that, people must have been on something to think that looked good That, right there, was one of the core issues with early 00s fashion -- you couldn't be any larger than Size 4 to be able to pull it off, and even that was pushing it. That's why the era also had a dangerous obsession with thinness.
I still have lingering PTSD from 00s fashion.😣 There was a period between the late 90s and early 10s when it was literally impossible to buy jeans that weren't low-rise in most stores, and you were also stuck with flares until skinny jeans first appeared around 2006. The classic, comfortable styles that had been the norm in the 80s and 90s were derided as "mom jeans" and seen as something old ladies wore. Fashion, in general, revolved around forcing women to show off as much of their bodies as legally possible. |
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Mar 16, 2023 5:07:11 GMT -5
I’m not fat “fat”, but for the last 15 or so years I’ve been at least 20 lbs overweight at 5’0 and a size 8-10. But those horrible clothes weren’t made for normal size women, only if one is super skinny. I haven’t been skinny since I was a kid and I don’t like showing off skin, even before I became a Christian. Even if I did like those outfits, I wouldn’t be able to wear them and I suck at diets since I both love to cook and eat 👩🍳🍽️
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Post by SimsFan_1 on Mar 16, 2023 16:08:10 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the 00s defined "fat" as "larger than a Size 2" -- just get a load of this old clip from America's Next Top Model that portrayed an otherwise slim woman as some morbidly obese heifer just because she was Size 6 instead of Size 0. The average woman is Size 14!🤦♀️
The 00s were a very confused and unhealthy time for women and sexuality. On one hand, fashion, music, and pop culture in general became very hypersexualized. Yet, at the same time, it was also the era of abstinence pledges, purity rings, and general Dubya era cultural conservatism. I don't think our culture ever fully recovered from it... |
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Post by clairecharming123 on Mar 16, 2023 17:22:21 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember a truly frightening jeans ad from around 2003 or 04? Picture a tight close up on two very thin young women in ultra low rise jeans. The bellybuttons are in the center of the frame. They (the belly buttons) start singing "I'm Coming Out". Still creeps me out when I think about it.
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Post by damondamore on Mar 16, 2023 19:03:23 GMT -5
Not to detail the body-positivity here but plastic skirts and platform boots are, well, maybe I was just the right age at the right time. Also, I tend to enjoy clothes so loud you can't hear me over them. I once went to court for someone and they told me after I had dressed like a clown! A green dress-shirt, muted dusky pink tie and black and yellow Mothra-vs-Craigslist T-Shirt. I don't see the problem!
(Yes, that is a real outfit I really wore to a courthouse, my friend was having an unemployment hearing.)
I used to work at a hotel next to a nightclub and perhaps even less fortunately, everyone was dressed like a sims 2 sim from 2004.
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Post by SimsFan_1 on Mar 17, 2023 12:47:38 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember a truly frightening jeans ad from around 2003 or 04? Picture a tight close up on two very thin young women in ultra low rise jeans. The bellybuttons are in the center of the frame. They (the belly buttons) start singing "I'm Coming Out". Still creeps me out when I think about it.
*Hits Up Google*
Here it is...
😨😨😨😨
Why were low-rise jeans ever allowed to become a thing?!? I'm guessing that, like the flared jeans, it was an offshoot from the 70s nostalgia craze that started in the mid 90s. But, 70s hip-huggers rarely went as low as 00s jeans did, and normal-rise jeans were very much still a thing in the decade. In the 00s, you literally couldn't buy jeans that covered your navel without having to go into the "old lady" section of the store.😣
There is absolutely nothing comfortable or practical about jeans that low, especially if you're larger than a Size 2. I really hope someone smacks some sense into Gen Z about reviving this trend, because it feels like we had only just finally banished them from stores around 8-10 years ago, and we've made too much progress to get thrown right back into the dark ages.🤦♀️ Not to detail the body-positivity here but plastic skirts and platform boots are, well, maybe I was just the right age at the right time. Also, I tend to enjoy clothes so loud you can't hear me over them. I once went to court for someone and they told me after I had dressed like a clown! A green dress-shirt, muted dusky pink tie and black and yellow Mothra-vs-Craigslist T-Shirt. I don't see the problem! (Yes, that is a real outfit I really wore to a courthouse, my friend was having an unemployment hearing.) I used to work at a hotel next to a nightclub and perhaps even less fortunately, everyone was dressed like a sims 2 sim from 2004. LOL at that story!😄 I also fully get what you mean about the Sims 2 outfits. They might be even more dated to the 00s than Sims 1's outfits... |
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Post by damondamore on Mar 17, 2023 13:26:59 GMT -5
I think HouseParty is probably the worst offender, but then again a lot the early 00s fit with that rave style, so who knows. Hoodies and jeans are even passable by today's standards, although the graphic print ones are very dated. Then there's the Hot Date outfits, the Vacation outfits that looked like they were from something on MTV or VH1 at the time. I think they realized the problem because Unleashed and Makin' Magic are more stylized (30s and Fairytale). Of course SuperStar is intentionally styled as trendy 2000s clothes.
I was going to say that the clothes seemed so stylized they almost got away with it until I started thinking more clearly lol.
Meanwile, sims 2 had deals with H&M and started the trend of putting in clothes that were explicitly trendy. In sims 4 it's hard to dress a sim in a way that's tacky, old-fashioned or unflattering without CC.
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Post by jonesie on Mar 17, 2023 23:08:59 GMT -5
Since I don't use "real" Sims, I've never given much thought to their fashion choices. And I have a ton of fakes that suit my build themes, from the fashion standpoint.
The low-rise jeans fad? I often wondered about how very naturally skinny people, with no hips, ever kept them hitched up! Then....along came guys wearing pants that sagged down to their butts, and they were CONSTANTLY hitching them up to keep them from eventually sliding down to their ankles! GREAT entertainment!! By the time the 00s came around, I was long past the point of caring about looking trendy.
If I could go back in Fashion Time, I'd choose to be in the Roaring 20s. Loved the dresses, the cloche hats, headbands, and shoes. They ALL said, "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun!" And the guys (including the gangsters) also looked just as stylish!!!
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Post by damondamore on Mar 18, 2023 4:35:50 GMT -5
I've been thinking a lot about the 60s to 70s transition of fashion. Where you have new shapes of the 70s, but still the bright colors and busy patters of the 60s. Thinking about it, the 60s, 80s and 00s all had bright unnatural colors in their fashion while the 70s and 90s seemed much more muted by comparison. I'll admit I am just a sucker for bright colors, busy patterns and "outrageous" outfits.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Mar 18, 2023 7:10:37 GMT -5
jonesie, I love 20s fashion too, I also enjoy silent film and 20s jazz and in fact I did my senior thesis on the origins of jazz music in New Orleans. However, I don’t like 80s fashion at all, bright colors nauseate me. I grew up in the 90s and even in the late 90s when I was in high school, I still wore jeans, band T-shirts with flannel shirts and sneakers since I’m a big fan of the Seattle bands and have been since then. It’s a classic style that doesn’t look dated and covers up a lot, jeans and band shirts never goes away
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